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994617895 2020-12-16T17:25:20Z IHateAccounts revert what appears to be clear vandalism, section blanking
994617654 2020-12-16T17:24:04Z 184.21.7.203 removing editorialized descriptions of this author's work. Could be placed in a separate "critical reception" category.
994617190 2020-12-16T17:21:36Z 184.21.7.203 /* Career */ Deals with reactions to a single instance from Shrier's career (and in an imbalanced manner to boot), so it needs to be placed in a different section or removed entirely as I've done here.
994525516 2020-12-16T04:31:51Z Gbear605 /* Career */ Remove duplicate citation in same sentence
994524988 2020-12-16T04:27:06Z Bravetheif /* Career */ These sources adequately establish that the theory is contentious
994521727 2020-12-16T03:56:43Z Gbear605 /* Career */ Restore [[WP:GEVAL|proper balance]], including re-adding peer reviewed article that easily meets [[WP:MEDRS]]
994519362 2020-12-16T03:36:10Z Crossroads Per [[WP:LABEL]] and [[WP:MEDRS]]. We should stick to what WPATH says rather than [[WP:GEVAL|giving equal validity]] to sources with no relevant scientific expertise. Also, see [[WP:RSOPINION]] - opinion pieces can't be used for statements of fact.
994504205 2020-12-16T01:43:49Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Added that ROGD is a very contentious theory
994457756 2020-12-15T20:37:09Z El komodos drago /* Career */ Everything is proposed. I would be happy to see softer language but only if it was meaningful.
994426548 2020-12-15T17:39:48Z Crossroads /* Career */ Fix in-text attribution for accuracy.
994426152 2020-12-15T17:37:21Z Crossroads /* Career */ Per [[WP:MEDRS]] and [[WP:SCHOLARSHIP]]. [[WPATH]] is well respected (including by trans people) and far more reliable than PinkNews ([[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_305#RfC:_PinkNews|whose RfC closure]] noted that "additional considerations may apply and caution should be used") and [[Media Matters for America]], a political organization. We would never use such media-commentary sources over that of a professional body of experts on any other scientific topic.
994378006 2020-12-15T12:05:48Z Bravetheif Undid revision 994377125 by [[Special:Contributions/194.75.54.58|194.75.54.58]] ([[User talk:194.75.54.58|talk]]) ROGD is pretty much the posterboy of "fringe theory"
994377125 2020-12-15T11:58:08Z 194.75.54.58 Removed the word 'fringe'. What the book is arguing is in no way 'fringe'.
994355809 2020-12-15T08:31:25Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Even if GayCityNews is not a large news org, it is still a [[WP:NEWSORG]]. Consensus has already been reached that this is a reliable source for this specific claim. It's analysis in relation to which it has been cited is not extraordinary and the source directly quotes the book to draw it's conclusion
994308768 2020-12-15T01:47:36Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Narrowed claim of book basis to one supported entirely (and directly as to not break [[WP:OR]]) by chapter 2 of Irreversible Damage
994305909 2020-12-15T01:27:33Z AnomieBOT Dating maintenance tags: {{Better source needed}}
994299838 2020-12-15T00:44:21Z Bravetheif /* Career */ The opinion piece removed was written by Shrier expressly about criticising the use of singular they. Using it to support the clain she criticised singular they does not violate [[WP:BLPRS]]
994286106 2020-12-14T23:12:32Z Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d /* Career */ Please stop edit-warring & instead provide better sources for these contentious claims; Media Matters is not reliable, and, at the very least, needs to be attributed; The Orion opinion article is still up; For some reason the book itself (ch.10) is cited which is WP:OR; And again, the dissertation is not for a doctorate--it's for a masters; Strong [[WP:BLPSOURCES]] & [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]] concerns
994283721 2020-12-14T22:58:18Z AnomieBOT Dating maintenance tags: {{Better source needed}}
994279982 2020-12-14T22:38:08Z MJL Undid revision 994278326 by [[Special:Contributions/Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d]] ([[User talk:Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|talk]]) I removed both opinion pieces and changed the claim to be less controversial. Media Matters is not [[WP:RS]], but PinkNews is per [[WP:RS/P#PinkNews]]. Per [[WP:SCHOLARSHIP]], doctoral dissertations can be used as long as care is advised. Since it is just a quote of the subject, there should be no issue.
994278326 2020-12-14T22:29:45Z Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d Undid revision 994275752 by [[Special:Contributions/MJL|MJL]] ([[User talk:MJL|talk]]) Media Matter is not a RS; The Orion article is an opinion piece; The WSJ article is an opinion piece; The Newsweek article is an opinion piece; and the 'study' is an non-peer reviewed master's thesis (basically equivalent to a SPS)
994275752 2020-12-14T22:12:14Z MJL rmv two {{better source needed}} since consensus is that these sources are generally reliable. Also copy edited another sentance
994273979 2020-12-14T22:02:48Z MJL code cleanup
994261211 2020-12-14T20:59:30Z Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d /* Career */
994226972 2020-12-14T18:13:04Z IHateAccounts Undid revision 994216023 by [[Special:Contributions/2001:56A:78C0:8D00:35E3:D80F:8FA:A4A1|2001:56A:78C0:8D00:35E3:D80F:8FA:A4A1]] ([[User talk:2001:56A:78C0:8D00:35E3:D80F:8FA:A4A1|talk]]) undo clear vandalism
994216023 2020-12-14T17:17:16Z 2001:56A:78C0:8D00:35E3:D80F:8FA:A4A1 Fixed bias
994046819 2020-12-13T21:04:03Z SporkBot Repair [[:Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls|duplicate template arguments]]
994006953 2020-12-13T17:42:43Z Abbyjjjj96 Added ref date parameter
994006754 2020-12-13T17:41:27Z Abbyjjjj96 Removed duplicate reference, link
994005408 2020-12-13T17:33:04Z Abbyjjjj96 Not necessarily birth name
994005250 2020-12-13T17:32:07Z Abbyjjjj96 /* Career */ removed empty parameter
994005044 2020-12-13T17:30:47Z Abbyjjjj96 Format, filled references
993935020 2020-12-13T07:10:23Z MusikBot II Removing protection templates from unprotected page ([[User:MusikBot II/FixPP/FAQ|more info]])
993934565 2020-12-13T07:05:32Z Bravetheif Added link for "fringe"
993934406 2020-12-13T07:04:08Z Bravetheif Reworded description of book and misgendering
993647269 2020-12-11T18:49:38Z Oshwah Nominated for deletion; see [[:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abigail Shrier]].
993171950 2020-12-09T04:19:46Z Oshwah Adding {{pp-dispute}}
993171944 2020-12-09T04:19:45Z Oshwah Protected "[[Abigail Shrier]]": [[WP:PP#Content disputes|Edit warring / content dispute]] ([Edit=Require administrator access] (expires 04:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)) [Move=Require administrator access] (expires 04:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)))
993171934 2020-12-09T04:19:41Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Reworded Leela Alcorn
993171749 2020-12-09T04:18:19Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993171381 by [[Special:Contributions/ParisDakarPeräjärvi|ParisDakarPeräjärvi]] ([[User talk:ParisDakarPeräjärvi|talk]]) The evidence is literally the text. She repeatedly uses the wrong pronouns. I would say that misgendering the woman who committed suicide and became a martyr partially because her parents misgendered her in their eulogy is the most conspicuous case, but I will change the language
993171612 2020-12-09T04:17:19Z ParisDakarPeräjärvi Reference does not support the claim of "discredited".
993171381 2020-12-09T04:15:28Z ParisDakarPeräjärvi Undid revision 993171140 by [[Special:Contributions/Bravetheif|Bravetheif]] ([[User talk:Bravetheif|talk]]) No indication that this is in fact the case, nor that this would theoretically be the most "conspicuous" case.
993171140 2020-12-09T04:13:37Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993170499 by [[Special:Contributions/ParisDakarPeräjärvi|ParisDakarPeräjärvi]] ([[User talk:ParisDakarPeräjärvi|talk]]) Citing the part of the book that repeatedly misgenders Leela Alcorn is evidence for the claim that she repeatedly misgendered Leela Alcorn is
993170937 2020-12-09T04:12:06Z Oshwah Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Gigilarue|Gigilarue]] ([[User talk:Gigilarue|talk]]): unexplained content removal ([[WP:HG|HG]]) (3.4.10)
993170809 2020-12-09T04:11:00Z Gigilarue
993170499 2020-12-09T04:08:18Z ParisDakarPeräjärvi Undid revision 993169590 by [[Special:Contributions/Bravetheif|Bravetheif]] ([[User talk:Bravetheif|talk]]) Citing the book is not a source for the claim - there is no connection between the reference and the claim.
993170439 2020-12-09T04:07:49Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993170269 by [[Special:Contributions/Gigilarue|Gigilarue]] ([[User talk:Gigilarue|talk]]) Uncited, with no reason given for content removal
993170269 2020-12-09T04:06:42Z Gigilarue
993169858 2020-12-09T04:03:11Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993169765 by [[Special:Contributions/45.48.2.226|45.48.2.226]] ([[User talk:45.48.2.226|talk]])
993169765 2020-12-09T04:02:27Z 45.48.2.226 /* Career */
993169590 2020-12-09T04:00:59Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993169323 by [[Special:Contributions/ParisDakarPeräjärvi|ParisDakarPeräjärvi]] ([[User talk:ParisDakarPeräjärvi|talk]]) It is literally discussing the book and how they author chose to portray it's subjects
993169323 2020-12-09T03:58:38Z ParisDakarPeräjärvi Undid revision 993169119 by [[Special:Contributions/Bravetheif|Bravetheif]] ([[User talk:Bravetheif|talk]]) - No connection to author or book in source.
993169224 2020-12-09T03:57:35Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993169124 by [[Special:Contributions/45.48.2.226|45.48.2.226]] ([[User talk:45.48.2.226|talk]]) Uncited claim, and no reason given for content deletion
993169124 2020-12-09T03:56:38Z 45.48.2.226
993169119 2020-12-09T03:56:34Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993168944 by [[Special:Contributions/ParisDakarPeräjärvi|ParisDakarPeräjärvi]] ([[User talk:ParisDakarPeräjärvi|talk]]). From chapter 3.5 (quote): "Leelah Alcorn was the deeply depressed seventeen-year-old male-to-female in Ohio who threw himself in front of traffic after his parents made him undergo Christian conversion therapy."
993168944 2020-12-09T03:54:58Z ParisDakarPeräjärvi No mention of this in source.
993168133 2020-12-09T03:49:13Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993167968 by [[Special:Contributions/45.48.2.226|45.48.2.226]] ([[User talk:45.48.2.226|talk]]). No reason given for content deletion
993167968 2020-12-09T03:48:09Z 45.48.2.226
993167217 2020-12-09T03:41:36Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Removed unreliable sources
993167103 2020-12-09T03:40:41Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993166681 by [[Special:Contributions/Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d]] ([[User talk:Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|talk]]) Move this to the talk page then. Citing the chapter of the book talking about the Littman study, as evidence that it discussed the Littman study is not original research. Remove the YouTube citations if you like, but the other sources ARE reliable
993166681 2020-12-09T03:36:26Z Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d Undid revision 993166215 by [[Special:Contributions/Bravetheif|Bravetheif]] ([[User talk:Bravetheif|talk]]) PLEAE Stop edit-warring; include [[WP:RS]]s that directly reference the book and the study; You are relying on non-Reliable Sources and Original Research
993166215 2020-12-09T03:32:38Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993165649 by [[Special:Contributions/Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d]] ([[User talk:Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|talk]]) The entirety of chapter two is about the Littman study. It forms the foundation for position of the book. The book cannot be accurately represented without also discussing the study on which it is based
993165649 2020-12-09T03:28:30Z Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d /* Career */ I get this article is still under construction but major [[WP:BLP]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:OR]], and [[WP:BLPSPS]] conerns; most of the sources don't even mention Shrier or the book
993165151 2020-12-09T03:24:42Z Bravetheif The book heavily cites the Littman study. Discussion of the study is relevant
993164598 2020-12-09T03:20:30Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Undid revision by Averylkennedy. The citations were fine
993163620 2020-12-09T03:12:06Z Klgp /* Career */ Added latest book media coverage and references
993163094 2020-12-09T03:08:06Z Averylkennedy Citations were incorrect.
993162846 2020-12-09T03:06:08Z Averylkennedy Removed incorrect citation that had nothing to do with the contents of the book.
993162457 2020-12-09T03:03:03Z Averylkennedy
993162315 2020-12-09T03:01:45Z Oshwah Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Averylkennedy|Averylkennedy]] ([[User talk:Averylkennedy|talk]]): unexplained content removal ([[WP:HG|HG]]) (3.4.10)
993162122 2020-12-09T03:00:19Z Averylkennedy
993160322 2020-12-09T02:47:10Z Klgp it's to its
993159652 2020-12-09T02:42:28Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Added more citations for discredited
993159258 2020-12-09T02:39:36Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993154259 by [[Special:Contributions/Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d]] ([[User talk:Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d|talk]]) The sources support the fact the science is discredited. There are no other studies on the theory besides the one cited, and it does not match the scientific consensus on how gender works
993159098 2020-12-09T02:38:21Z Bravetheif Undid revision 993158284 by [[Special:Contributions/45.48.2.226|45.48.2.226]] ([[User talk:45.48.2.226|talk]])
993158284 2020-12-09T02:31:46Z 45.48.2.226 /* Career */
993154259 2020-12-09T02:03:46Z Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d Undid revision 993153871 by [[Special:Contributions/Bravetheif|Bravetheif]] ([[User talk:Bravetheif|talk]]) BLP concern; Not supported by sources
993153871 2020-12-09T02:01:01Z Bravetheif It is discredited WP:WEASEL
993098769 2020-12-08T19:51:33Z 2601:644:100:EEF0:79A4:B875:12FE:A036 /* Career */
993090669 2020-12-08T18:59:53Z 199.68.152.135
993090007 2020-12-08T18:55:42Z 199.68.152.135 Added criticisms of "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Out Daughters"
993012517 2020-12-08T09:25:50Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Linked to conversion therapy
992982927 2020-12-08T04:16:56Z Bravetheif Added reference to exemplary section where Shrier interviewed parents of trans children rather than trans children themselves
992982789 2020-12-08T04:15:36Z Bravetheif Added direct citation to section of book based on Lisa Littman study
992982498 2020-12-08T04:12:38Z Bravetheif Undid revision 992924232 by [[Special:Contributions/Squandermania|Squandermania]] ([[User talk:Squandermania|talk]]) The sources discuss and show evidence the book is based on the Littman study
992924232 2020-12-07T20:59:50Z Squandermania None of these sources are reliable. The first is a blog, the second is a book seller, and the last is a YouTuber.
992862186 2020-12-07T14:25:23Z Keith D /* Career */Fix PMC warnings
992834509 2020-12-07T10:19:44Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Added misgendering
992833194 2020-12-07T10:04:14Z Bravetheif /* Career */ Corrected "proposed"
992832940 2020-12-07T10:01:50Z Bravetheif Expanded on why the book was controversial
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